Brenda,
That is such good news!! I kept my phone by me the whole day. I know that you're daughter was in great hands and the 'healing energy' coming from everyone was so powerful. Hugs to both of you!!!
blackswan
BlackSwan of Memphis
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Vigil for my daughter, please.
by outnfree inas mentioned in my other thread, my daughter lena is having brainsurgery on monday, jan 24. the surgery will last 6-7 hours, so i'm hoping the board members will be willing to make a special effort tomorrow to send positive thoughts, healing energy, good wishes and prayers her way.
we are asking that the surgeon's hands be delicate and skillful and that lena does not bleed overmuch and that brain damage be minimal (if not non-existant).
surgery begins at 8 am eastern standard time (us), but we have to have her to the hospital by 6 am, so this is "good night!
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Is there a difference between a "wrong expectation" and a "false prophecy"?
by booker-t inas many of you posters know by now that my mom has been a devout jw for 40 years and just cannot accept the fact that i am no longer a jw and feel that i am being deceived by apostates and will be destroyed at armaggeddon.
well the other day we had another knock down debate about "false prophecies" and the wts.
my mom insist that the wts are not false prophets but merely had many "wrong expectations" the same as other bible writers and disciples of christ.
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Hey booker,
I looked up this topic in a book that I I have which I really recommend: Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah's Witnesses by Ron Rhodes, I really suggest picking up a copy. I don't have a scanner so bear with me, I'm just gonna do this the old fashioned way.
"Those who have followed the watchtower literature over the years can attest to the fact that the society has consistently changed it's prophecies in order to cover it's many errors. Former Jehovah's Witness William J. Schnell obeserved that "The Watchtower magazine changed our doctrines between 1917 and 1928 no less then 148 times."
"Incredibly, the Watchtower society argues that it should not be critisized for it's past errors regarding prophecy. After all, biblical prophets and apostles made mistakes, and they were not condemned as being false.
"One example Jehovah's Witnesses cite in support of this is the prophet Nathan.When King David wanted to build a house of worship for God,Nathan told David to do as he wished. But later God told Nathan to inform David that was not to be the one who would build the temple. Despite Nathans error, however, Nathan was not condemned by God or by anyone else. Indeed, God continued to use Nathan because he humbly corrected the matter when God made it plain to him.
"Orthodox Christians point out, however, that Nathan's original messege to David about building the house was not claimed by Nathan to be instruction from God (1st Chronicles 17:2).His subsequent messege about not building the house was claimed to be instruction by God(17:3-15). Hence, again, we find the Watchtower society twisting scripture to suit it's own ends.
"Amazingly, despite it's many failed predictions, the Watchtower Society has not learned it's lesson. Even since 1981 it continues to say that Armageddon and the world's end is very near.
"You might remind the Jehovah's Witness that The Watchtower magazine says that when one discovers false prophets, "the people should no longer trust them as safe guides." (May 15, 1930 Watchtower)
"ASK:
* Do you agree with the Watchtower instruction that when one discovers false prophets, then "the people should no longer trust them as safe gudes?"
* Since the Watchtower Society was wrong in 1874, 1914, 1925 and 1975 do you think you should still trust the Society as a "safe guide"?
Another good point to make, is when Jesus supposedly inspected the 'Christian' congregation in 1919, what were the teachings? At that time the idea of Pyramidology was still in use and I believe it was within this time frame after Rutherford was released from prison that he began teaching the 'flock' that 1925 would mark the end. Rather then repenting from making the error regarding 1874 and 1914, they continued on with the same course of action. Even had they repented from that course, Where in the Bible does it teach that that would make everything ok? It doesn't.
Another thing from the book:
"ASK:
* Can you point me to a single example in scripture in which a prophet was issuing a "thus saith the Lord" prophecy direct from the Lord and was subsequently shown to be in error?"
The idea expressed in the book re the apostles was that while they may have had "false notions as human beings" they Never taught that such notions were from God. "No true prophet of God ever made a mistake while uttering a prophecy because he was delivering God's words to humankind, not his own."
This particular book has been very helpful for me. I really suggest that you get a copy. The publisher is Harvest House. Ron Rhodes has written a ton of stuff regarding cults.
Look through 'the best of" threads, you might find some really helpful stuff.
Keep in mind, that if your mom has been a witness for this long, there is so much emotional attachment. Not just friends and family, but the whole idea that she has been duped for this long can make a person feel kinda dumb. Even if you see that she does 'see' that something isn't right, be very patient. Be very loving, reassuring and make it a point to draw close to her. If she slowly realises that things just aren't right with the org, that's a great thing, but as I am sure you already know, she could get very depressed. Older people lose a certain sense of self worth and self esteem as they age. They begin to see how fragile life is, and subsequently, how fragile they are. They start to forget things and start to feel naive. So, anyhoo I wish you so much luck and good for you to have enough love for your mom to reach out to her. Please take care.
Blackswan
P.s. hope i didn't get anything wrong with the book
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Beatles or Rolling Stones Fan, which were/are you?
by eyeslice inperhaps you have to be one of those who grew up in the 60's to really appreciate this thread, but then my kids love 60's music too.
who did you think were the best, the beatles or the rolling stones?
is there a bit of a psychological angle here too?
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am posting on behalf of my husband:
Beatles hands down. George is his favorite, next up is John and then Paul. What more need be said?
For me, (black) my hubby introduced me to Georges solo stuff after we were married and I really liked the Eastern influence. John had an increbile ability to write inspiring lyrics and Paul was so musically correct. The combination of these 4 musicians was powerful.
The Stones definitely have their place. No one could take their place. That whole british invasion thing was pretty sweet. The Who, The Kinks a unique sound.
I do have to say, Jimmy Page was SO talented. (dark)
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Dropping attendance and disolving congregations
by RunningMan inwell, i came across a couple of interesting pieces of news yesterday, that i thought you would all find encouraging.
while i was standing in line at macdonald?s yesterday morning, i ran into a couple of jws from the other side of town.
they were up in my area because (not surprisingly) they were laying tiles at a local bar and the work had to be done on sunday morning.
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Runningman,
You have turned my day into one of joy and hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you so much. My true hope is that all the children whose futures are being dashed because of a controlling group of men will not have to go through what most of did. This gave me a glimpse of hope that Ireally needed.
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What kind of music do you listen to?
by Dustin ini like to listen to alot of music.
i am mostly a hard rocker, godsmack, soil, marilyn manson.
i also like alot of rap, snoop, g-unit, kanye west, xzibit.
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Preston, do you own the self titled 1986 cb cd??? If you do I will love you for eternity if I can get a copy. I miss that cd so much. I tried ordering it and no luck. I loved their Everybody Knows song they did for that movie... (don't remember the name) That single (ghost of a texas ladies man) had a bitchin' version of bloodletting. That song is so Interview with a Vampire, the whole New Orleans feel, very cool. You're right they definitely smoothed out by the time they came out with free. I just finally picked up Mexican Moon about a year ago. Johnette has a voice that completely blows so many other female singers out of the water. I have never seen them in concert. That is one of my life goals (sad huh?) Pm me and let me know k?
Thanks for the info on George Lynch. Seems like I did see that on a "we love the 80's" mtv thing. Arrogant sure, but hey, he's a "shtar" honestly I do think he's pretty talented.
Funny how now it's "cool" to be punk or goth. They have corporate stores geared towards that crowd. Interesting.
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How many people ...
by BlackSwan of Memphis inhow many of you have gotten so unbelievably depressed when you realised how trapped you were?
when you realised that your whole school life could have been spent preparing you for a world you were totally unprepared for?
when you realised it was your sanity or else?
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How many of you have gotten so unbelievably depressed when you realised how trapped you were? When you realised that your whole school life could have been spent preparing you for a world you were totally unprepared for? When you realised it was your sanity or else? How many of you longed for the days you could go back to the minute before you read a newspaper article that made you rethink your entire life? The second before you opened coc or any other 'apostate' lit.? The days when it seemed so much simpler to look at the stupid publications and say "well, if it came from the society"? Sometimes, I just wish I could go back.... It's just, even if I could, I know that I would still read that article, that book. I remember sitting in a library years ago and out of curiosity picked up a book about jw's and it mentioned the problem with the chronology. For so long I fought it and I thought I beat it out. Ha. You guys that da'ed were df'ed and that was that... wow, I look at you as (this is going to sound incredibly silly) heros. But, how many of you really had a tough time and how many of you never looked back?
(maybe the hero thing is silly, but I don't know anyone else except the people on this board who are exjw and proof that life continues, to me... this is a lifeline)
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Somebody thinks I should introduce myself
by bethany4you ini have never been a jehovahs witness (i can't even spell it half the time).
i am a practicing wiccan and have been for all of my life.
i do not discuss my beliefs openly because of preconceived ideas that most people have.
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(i was going to pm this but hey what the heck...)
Bethany after chat last night, I figured something was up. You were rattled. Really rattled. So, the first thing I did this morning was check out your posts. Why did you come on chat last night? Seeing as everytime you have made a post it was directed at Jim, what were your intentions?? What did you expect? He is NOT the one that owes You an apology. You have it backwards. Considering how you outright attacked him with rude comments, YOU OWE HIM ONE.
I am not perfect, if I have ever personally offended anyone on this board, I am so truly sorry. Bethany, you haven't just made a stupid comment here or there, you have insulted someone you don't know by making direct comments on their posts.
If you really wanted to show you WERE NOT a stalker or otherwise, probably the smarter thing would have been not to start a thread Directly addressing Jim, changing your profile to directly address Jim... Hmm..No you aren't obsessed with him. or ARE you??
Everyone here would be more then welcome to help you with your questions, so far, though, your posts have come across as not having the intention on educating yourself on this cult, but the intention of being rude. It's hard for me to want to help someone who has been mean.
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What kind of music do you listen to?
by Dustin ini like to listen to alot of music.
i am mostly a hard rocker, godsmack, soil, marilyn manson.
i also like alot of rap, snoop, g-unit, kanye west, xzibit.
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The one Concrete Blonde cd is self titled and is dated 1986. If I'm not mistaken I went to the store and found... I think it was a greatest hits cd and it had some of their early stuff. Songs like "still in Hollywood" "dance along the edge" and "true" might be on there. Really cool stuff. I heard Joey off of Bloodletting first and then went backwards. In fact, my cd got scratched and I tried to replace it.... I can't find it and I tried ordering it and no luck.
Another great band is Saigon Kick. I've been into them for quite a while.
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What kind of music do you listen to?
by Dustin ini like to listen to alot of music.
i am mostly a hard rocker, godsmack, soil, marilyn manson.
i also like alot of rap, snoop, g-unit, kanye west, xzibit.
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Dokken is sweeet. THeir guitarist was (is) incredibly talented.
IRS, yeah, they were the IT label. Wow, I can't believe someone else recognized that. How cool. Flogging Molly just is so outrageously FUN.
Concrete Blonde did a remake of Beware of Darkness (george harrison) that was just too beautiful.
One guitarist that NEVER got the fame he deserved was the guy from Europe.
Has anyone ever heard of Seduce?
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What kind of music do you listen to?
by Dustin ini like to listen to alot of music.
i am mostly a hard rocker, godsmack, soil, marilyn manson.
i also like alot of rap, snoop, g-unit, kanye west, xzibit.
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Sarah Mc Glaucklin ( uncertain as to spelling last name)
McLaughlin I'm pretty sure.
Saw that yer in Michigan, yeah, pretty sure weed is out. At least at the venues I know of. But hey, methinks a couple of joints are easier to sneak in then a couple beers.